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[logixx]

The TL'ers on sale in the UK have a "G" rating for wash performance which is the lowest, sadly.

I'm not sure, if the European washability testings can be applied one-to-one to top loaders. TL's don't have stepped heating and cycles taking +/- two hours (our washer takes 2:20 hrs for the 140° Energy Label cycle, Miele's*) Cottons 140°F + Intensive cycle takes 1:49 hrs).

*) according to the German Miele Liquid Wash manual

Also, the washability test include stains such as blood, oil, soot, red wine, cocoa,... The Euro washability tests are based upon a 60°C / 140°F cycle. Since most TL's don't have built-in heating, the machine will immediately fill with hot water probably causing some stains to be set immediately.
I think to accurately rate a TL's washability we should have tests better tailored towards TL-like wash cycles and not just apply the same standards used for FL's (because this is what I think is happening).

As far as cycle times and load sizes are concerned: I don't mind our washer taking 2 hours to wash a 13 lbs. / 6 kg load, since everything is done automatically by the machine. I don't even need to pretreat / soak stains - it's all conveniently done for me. And if I don't need a high-performance cycle I can cut the cycle time by almost 50% simply at the touch of a button.

Alex

 

[sudsmaster]

OK, here's the skinny:

The best soil suspension agent, bar none, is STPP. It also has other admirable qualities, but I'll stick to just this one for the sake of this discussion.

In phosphate free detergents, the soil suspension chore goes to CMC, or carboxy methyl cellulose. This is a wood pulp product (processed) that looks much like lint when dry. When moistened, it has a viscous quality in concentration. CMC is used both in American laundry detergents and in Persil.

Persil may contain other substances to replace the other functions of STPP, such as zeolites. Zeolites are effective for softening water without causing a precipitate, but they have no soil suspending activity.

Seeing that Persil uses pretty much the same soil suspending agent as American phosphate-free laundry detergents, I tend to doubt that American detergents are less able to withstand long hot wash cycles than European detergents. It may be, however, that the lack of zeolites and over-reliance on sodium carbonate for water softening in American detergents results a greater tendency for hard water precipates being redeposited on clothing. But I doubt this has any relationship with heat or wash time.

Here's a link that discusses CMC and other cellulose compounds, and here's a except:

6. Carboxymethyl Cellulose
Carboxymethyl cellulose, generally as its sodium salt, is the most widely used cellulose
ether. CMC is water soluble with a DS of 0.4 to 1.2 in common applications. It was
originally used as a replacement for natural gums in adhesives, but it has since developed
many uses of its own. Sodium carboxymethyl cellulose is readily water soluble because of
its ionic nature; its largest use is in laundry detergents, where it helps to suspend soil
particles during washing. This resistance to greases and soil has made CMC useful in
fabric sizing as a soil repellant. Because CMC is completely nontoxic, it is used in many
food applications, where its affinity for water prevents drying of the product. Although it
is generally no longer used as an adhesive, per se, it is still used in adhesives as a
thickener.

http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/pdf1994/bauma94a.pdf

 

[Bearpeter]

reply to Logixx ( germany)

Hi there..
The TL'ers I am talking about are the same TL'ers sold in the US... (not the euro H-Axis TL'ers we are used to here...)

Greetings to you and your loved one's

Peter

 

[Bearpeter]

reply to Logixx again.... sorry!

Like you, I do not mind the long wash programme times..... I am not there lol! I don't have a "wash day" I let the machine do the work from start to end... No problem the machine is on most days!

Peter