Democratic Convention in Denver

[toggleswitch2]

For all of you taking a beating in this thread...

I for one value ALL opinions and ways of thinking. Helps keep mine from getting rusty and rigid.

Promise me no one will leave the site in a huff, OK?

For those of us feeling the need to call names and perhaps get nasty...remember those who make fun of others ultimately are only making fools of themselves. And when one gains a reputation it is harder to shed than to unring a bell.

I can't add any real intelligence or insight to this thread,so I'm leaving quietly........

Again I do apprecaite learning more about our (pitiful) candidates.

 

[panthera]

So tell me how you really feel

Shane - I do not think you are racist. I do think your religious beliefs are important to you and because the republicans appear to more closely adhere to those principles you hold highest, you lean towards them. Nothing wrong with that, although I doubt the republicans mean it sincerely, while you do.
Greg - please calm down. I do enjoy a good political fight, but certainly have no desire to upset you. To answer you, no - I am not paid. As a few here have mentioned, politically I am a yellow dog democrat - as a firm believer in the US Constitution, a fiscal conservative, human rights advocate and advocate of energy independence, there is nothing, zero, nil, Nichts, zilch, absolutamente nada which would cause me to vote repubican. The last republican I felt comfortable with was Dwight Eisenhower.
In Europe, I enjoy human status. Here in the US, as a gay man, I am legally treated as sub-human. Again, why on earth support a party which does not recognize you as human and entitled to the most basic rights guaranteed to ALL in the US Constitution?

 

[petek]

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[peterh770]

Must...resist...posting...
Getting...weaker...

Obama, the first candidate NOT to get a boost in the polls during his own convention... Pitiful...

But it's all downhill from here, especially when McCain poor picks his running mate.

Third party voting looks so much better.

 

[Unimatic1140]

Maybe people have already pretty much made up their minds already. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. This map changes daily, I've been watching it closely, but never once have I noticed McCain averaging above Obama...

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[whirlcool]

And let's not forget that while McCain is making megabucks from his various interests he is still drawing a $58K per year disability pension from the military.

OK, he's disabled from military service. Shouldn't he mention in his election campaign that he is a disabled person? What do you think he's going to do for the other disabled people in this country?

And what about the injured soldiers from Iraq that can't seem to get decent care in the military hospitals these days? Do you think that THEY will be bringing home $58K per year?

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[whirlcool]

BTW, I never considered myself either a democrat or republican, I usually try to vote for whoever I think will do the best job.
And I agree with others, it will take decades to undo the damage Cheny/Bush caused to our reputation world wide.

Right now Bush is like bad service in a restaurant. You wait and wait for service then right around time for desert the service magically improves, with the waiter/ss expecting a nice tip.

Ha!

 

[danemodsandy]

Best-Case Scenario:

In my opinion, Hillary has - at least in the end - behaved with class and dignity and with the best interests of both her party and country at heart. She's brought Bill a long way, too.

For that, I feel that she should be rewarded with a slot in an Obama administration, and I think I know just the one.

Attorney General.

She's an attorney, she knows Constitutional law, she has been around national affairs for a long time now, and it's my opinion that she would do a great deal to restore the inroads that the Bush administration has made on our freedoms. In addition, she would be perfectly positioned to investigate and indict Bush administration players who played too dirty.

There's been some talk about this on the Net. I for one hope it happens. If it does, I do not want to be the next owner of the chairs Bush, Cheney and Rove are sitting in when they hear the news. ;-)

 

[jbuscemi]

It is indeed a messy situation. I have always felt that what America needed is a GOOD serious third party...not some silly group out to legalize pot or some other such bit of unimportant nonsense. The reality of it is....there isn't enough money in America to finance such a enormous undertaking. I hate to admit it but it really is ALL ABOUT money anyway. I am shocked and somewhat saddened to see ALL Christianity get lumped together as nothing but a bunch of Bible Pounding nuts. To be sure some ARE , most however are NOT.
Being a New Englander and a Congregationalist all I hope is that we ALL (regardless of our political postions and /or our sexual orientations) get the HELL OUT and VOTE. I feel if nothing else has come out of these 8 years of political disaster, it has sufficiently riled up the American public to get involved , argue, shout ,complain ..whatever. We have shaken off our complacency ..GET OUT AND VOTE . Make surew your nieghbours do the same. If you know young people of voting age urge them to vote . I don't think either canidiate is ideal but it is the best we've got at this point in time. Get out and make it happen!

 

[mattl]

I remember....

(just barley...) the Eisenhower years, respect and civility toward the pres. and others.

The Kennedy years when dreams soared, everything was bigger, better faster. The world was opening up, the future was full of energy and endless possibilities.

The Johnson years, the civil rights movement and it's gains, the war, the protests.

The Nixon years, the dishonesty, the fear, the protests, the shame.

The Ford year(s)as bland and boring, the beginning of stagflation and gas crisis.

The Carter years, the energy crisis, Iran

The Reagan years, the smiling happy grandfather who though he knew what he was doing and screwed up this country for generations. The fall of the wall. The air traffic controllers, the rise of deregulation.

Bush I years, more of the same, the Keating five (McCain!!!)

The Clinton years, growth, and expansion, tech bubble, surpluses for the first time in memory.

Bush II years, secret meetings on energy, unprovoked war, loss of American's rights, stacked courts, no even the veneer of propriety.

My memory is certainly long enough to see where McCain would lead us. I used to respect him and even voted for him in the 2000 primary. He has turned himself inside out and upside down to please the people I detest most - the religions right and the so called value voters. If Kerry is flip flopper, there isn't a word to describe McCain, panderer is too mild a word.

I come to Obama late, I was for Hillary till the end, but I could not stomach voting for this coward, and that is what he really is, afraid to be himself and face the world as the person he was. He can spew all the rhetoric he wants and trot out his "poor P.O.W me" speech at the drop of a hat, but my dad was a POW and that no more makes him presidential material than it does McCain.

I'm ready to roll the dice on Obama. He has much more experience than Bush II did 8 years ago. Funny how no one ever brings that up.

 

[iheartmaytag]

I Think. . .

I'll just vote for Harry S. Trueman. Now that was a President that didn't care about public opinion, but got the job done.

 

[oldhouseman]

Oh no

not Truman, he's the one that started all that no gays in the military stuff. He knew what was good for the economy though. But he has some pretty 19th century ideas when it came to dealing with Russia. He thought he could sit down and have a chat with Stalin and make everything right. Like he would back home with a neighbor.

His mother refused to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom when she visited the Whitehouse. It seems that during the Civil War Trumans grandmothers family were living in Virginia. Lincoln order the people in that union controlled area to be rounded up and sent out west. They were not allowed to return after the war. Strong feelings stayed in the family for years.

McCain is ultimately from Mississippi. His grandfather was Admiral McCain. Long line of wealth and priviledge. Interesting how the media does not show what a really filthy language he has. Cusses like sailor.

 

[panthera]

Americans

have got to get past the single-issue polarity of politics.
Many of the folks who will vote for McCain this fall will do so only out of one (or more) of the following reasons:
1) Abortion. Never mind that the Republicans can't and won't do anything to prevent it. As long as they pretend to be 'pro-life' a lot of folks will vote for them. Reality is, even if they undid the Supreme Court decision, those states which permit abortion would continue to permit it...and those which make it de facto impossible would simple codify their hatred of women.
2) Guns. There is no way to explain to the hysterical liberals on the coasts that simple, white, middle- and lower class men like their guns. Or that for folks out here in the West, they are a necessary tool. So the democrats lose, again and again. Hell, look how the killer queens on this site have gone after me - far to the left of nearly everyone here on just about every other point - simply because I define gun-control as using both hands.
3) Gays. The rest of the Western world has granted us legal, human status and nothing bad happened. Heterosexual marriage is still just as popular as before, women still bear and raise children. But this is a brilliantly divisive topic for people who don't believe in science.

Personally, I would have preferred Hillary. But since Obama is the only decent choice, he's my man.

 

[iheartmaytag]

No the media did show HST

in a correct light. The one man show "Give 'em Hell Harry" Harry Truman was portrayed by James Whitmore. He cursed like. . .well, Harry.

One of my favorite quotes:
"Richard Nixon said what?"
"Well, he's a lying Son Of a B!tch"
"It says that some old party hen is supposed to have cornered Bess at some party, and said, "Mrs. Truman, isn't there anything you can do to get the President to stop using the word 'manure'?" And Bess is supposed to have replied, "It took me forty years to get him to use that word!"

Other notable Harry quotes:

"When yoy have an efficient government, you have a dictatorship."
"Want a friend in Washington? The get a dog."
"You won't get rich in politics, unless your a crook."
"When ever someone tells me he's bipartisian, I know he's going to vote against me."
"I remember when I first came to Washington." "For six months I wondered how the hell I ever got here." "After that you wonder how the hell the rest of them got here."

 

[dalangdon]

Hysterical liberal from the west coast here ;-)

I'm a flaming liberal, and about as pro-gun as you can get. Mind you, I don't own one, I don't want one, and I had a dear friend killed by one, but I also think people can have them if they want them - and I agree that if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. I do think concealed weapons and automatic weapons are problematic in the hands of the untrained - I fear that they would lead to circular firing squads in panic situations - but with some sort of police or military training, why not?

As for abortion, I'm not a fan of it, but I am pro-choice. The only thing "outlawing" it would accomplish would clean up the statistics. Abortion has been around since the first woman got pregnant, and will be an option until the last woman gives birth. We might as well be hygienic about it, and try to reduce the numbers through education, access to birth control, and economic opportunity.

Gays? I'm very fond of us. And those who don't hate us.

So there!

And Peter - you might want to sit down for this. It's from Foxnews.com, and the title is "Gallup Poll Gives Obama Convention "Bounce" " - and the survey was taken before Clinton and Biden's speeches, let alone Obama's speech tonight.

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[panthera]

Dan,

You are one of my favorite people on this site, not least because I nearly always agree with you. I was, badly, trying to make the point that both sides - we on the left, as well as those on the right have tunnel vision on some topics, and it is this tunnel vision which has led to decades of gridlock in American politics.
Today, I got the first new drywall panel finished. Yee-Haw!
Anyone who thinks flash-floods aren't serious business, has never been through one.

 

[iheartmaytag]

Sorry, not for gun control.

I understand your feelings but the same could be said, I don't own a car because someone I know was killed by one. It was in actually the person in operation of the vehicle that caused the death. Much like the person holding the gun.

Not attacking you, us Mid-Westerners like our guns. We were just able to pass CCW this last year. Our Governour did veto the bill, it got overridden and she refused to sign it. She still drives a car though.

 

[peterh770]

See video at Gallup.com. While it is a bounce, it is the same point as he was before going to Europe where it when down. Basically, a "recovery" bounce. Nothing to be celebrating. And the Republican convention is following, so, as the man says, it will be interesting.

 

[panthera]

iheartmaytag

uh, maybe it's me, but I think you got me wrong. I am opposed to gun control.
Anyway, if the democrats are to win - and this is what the whole planet needs - then we need to stop making the simple, white, lower-class white, heterosexual men feel like we don't give a fcuk about them.

 

[rickr]

I own a 40 cal, but have never carried it, or fired it. Only shot a gun once, and it was over 20 years ago. I think we need tougher laws on who can own a gun. There are many people out there with them, that should not own one. I hear the shots most every night.