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Why would anyone want incandescent bulbs brought back? LED's are the easiest way to save energy, and they have come a long way.

I haven't replaced all of mine yet, because I have some lights that aren't used more than 10 minutes a year, or at all. But any bulb that's on every day has been changed. This guy just want's to move us back to 1900, minus the democracy part.
 
I remember reading something about LED's being blue light....which isn't good for humans...but incandescent being (I can't remember) red light or white light or something like that...a much healthier light...

I don't think it's about energy more than it is about health.

Apparently light has detrimental or can be beneficial... I do know there's a red light therapy that seems to be going crazy
 
I'd be surprised if this makes any difference at all. Those seeking to use less water/electricity will continue buying those products. It's not like hoards of consumers will be rushing out to purchase incandescent lights bulbs again. LED's are now cheap to purchase and CRI ratings are getting accurate enough to where the likelihood of switching back to filament lighting is no longer temping anymore.

Dishwashers using more water? I doubt manufactures are going to retool again to meet those looser standards.

Will front loaders raise the water level a bit? Probably not but if it reduced overall cycle times, maybe that would reduce electricity costs (and provide better cleaning results).

Speed Queen TC5 allow more control of water levels and cycle times instead of being fixed? Nope.

Are toilets going back to using more than 1.6 GPF? Nope!
 
LEDs can have any light colour you want. They are not inherently blue.

 

I don't know about in the USA but here in Australia, LED lights are marked with their intensity (in lumens) and their colour temperature (In degrees Kelvin.) Most decent brands have a choice of Cool White (stark white with a hint of blue-ish about it) and Warm White (Which is approximately the same as an incandescent.) I always choose warm white.

 

Some very cheap bulbs are only sold as Cool White, I suspect that the cool white may be cheaper to manufacture by a few fractions of a cent.

 

I guess some people have bought Cool White LED lights by mistake and now think that LEDs have a harsh blue light?
 
There's some light spectrum graphs for different bulb technologies here:- https://neiloseman.com/know-your-lights-tungsten/

Cool white LEDs emit a lot of blue light, but warm white LEDs do not.

I mostly have warm LED filament bulbs in my house, I prefer their light to incandescents, I think it looks slightly less orange. They use a fraction of the power for the same amount of light, and don't get hot enough to damage the light fittings, they even look pretty much like an incandescent bulb.

White LEDs are actually a blue/UV LED emitter coated in phosphors that produces desired colour.
 
Switching back to incandescent lightbulbs

I really doubt this will happen, and if it started to happen, hopefully home insurance companies would get into the act incandescent lightbulbs caused thousands of fires every year in homes and a lot of people that are younger now don’t even realize lightbulbs used to get hot enough to burn you and start fires.

Many modern light fixtures are not designed to take the heat of an incandescent ball either any longer.

Rolling back energy regulations will do a lot of harm, even though few manufacturers will go back to Oldschool machines because you wouldn’t be able to sell them anywhere else in the world and only a small profess percentage of people would buy something that used a huge amount of energy today. Unfortunately, we won’t make the progress. We should make this will set back things quite a bit with the drive to reduce pollution and improve people’s health with better air quality, and water quality.

But this fool has just fired so many nuclear workers that the risk of nuclear war is it an all-time high much of the world could be destroyed in just a matter of a day or so, so we may not have to worry too much about climate change.

John L
 
Incandescent

I've a theory why he wants incandescent light bulbs back, perhaps he finds the higher amount of orange and red frequencies in their spectra make his orange makeup/bronzer look more natural. :o)

There's a review of 4 brands of led bulb comparing their different spectra here: https://www.thesmarthomehookup.com/...i-flicker-blue-spike-and-dimming-performance/

The Philips UHD and Dicuno bulbs have a particularly low amount of blue.
 
EPA Reversals

I believe the president just wants EPA rules to be more realistic. No one wants to return to incandescent bulbs, unless it is for reading since the 60 hertz flashing fatigues the eyes.
It would be nice to create a design for washers that is frugal enough with water usage, but not so frugal as it is now which adds an incredible amount of time to a wash cycle whether it is a clothes washer or dishwasher.
What to you think about outdoor grill regulations, and future banning of gas stoves, and the constant changing of coolants for HVAC and refrigerators.
The coolant issue is a racket brought on buy government regulators, the HVAC manufacturers, and the coolant producers. Lot's of money to be made there with constant changes.
R12 is heavier than the atmosphere. When it leaks out it settles along the ground/floor. On a job site men suffocated to death due to a leak in the building's HVAC system, while working in the lowest point in the building, the elevator pit.
 
The coolant issue is a racket...

 Oh, for goodness sake. One of the best "new" refrigerants is either butane, or a propane/butane mix, I think it's R600a??

It is incredibly cheap, much cheaper than the patented alternatives. And its not really "new" at all.

 

Why is it that every time someone creates a better product that does a good job with less energy, some people see the need to discredit it as some giant green conspiracy??

 

Back in the 1980s (?) when the ozone depleting characteristics of r12 were hitting the news, Choice consumer magazine in Australia looked around the world for alternative refrigeration technologies that were already in production that could be better than R12. They found that an East German manufacturer, Foron, made small fridges that used an LP gas blend (I think it was 50/50 propane and butane??) as its refrigerant gas. They brought a sample to Australia and tested it against local products, and it was good. That stimulated local interest and within a year or two, Email (a local company, now its brands are owned by Electrolux) started production of Australian Westinghouse fridges with the same gas - I think it was called the Aurora range??

 

The amount of the gas required for a fridge is tiny, so although it is a flammable gas, the risk is minuscule.

 

The damage to the ozone layer caused largely by older refrigerant gases was/is not evenly distributed around the world, in fact the thinning of the ozone layer was concentrated in the Southern hemisphere, largely over Australia and New Zealand. Partly as a consequence (there are other reasons too) we in both countries have the world's highest incidence of skin cancers. Fortunately since the worst refrigerants were banned, or at least safer handling of them was mandated around the world, the "hole" (more of a thinning) of the ozone layer is slowly repairing itself and UV levels over Southern Australia and New Zealand have reduced.

 

Some environmental technology is actually a good thing...
 
I usually don’t like to comment on “political” threads anymore but I’ll put it this way, we’ve all lived through many administrations over the years, some more than others, yet, we are all still here years and decades later living and breathing, no one is going anywhere despite the media hysteria.

Come to think of it, everything is all relative to the era. You have to look back at history, in major cities like New York and other cities around the world around the same time and before, there were major issues with horse manure pollution to the point where it was waist high, some people probably said “We’ll be drowning in manure”. Literally thousands of tons of manure being put onto the streets everyday. As soon as the automobile came along, that problem went away. Fast forward to the 1960’s, air pollution was beginning to become a problem, people probably said “We’ll be choking to death on air pollution and smog”. Started to crack down on emissions, first step was getting rid of the road draft crankcase ventilation system and replacing it with a PCV valve, a couple years later smog pumps were beginning to be added, a few years later hardened valve seats were added so engines could run on regular gas without a problem, a few years after that, catalytic converters became mandatory. Then, people were beginning to be concerned about a new ‘ice age’ in the 1970’s, never came to fruition. In the 90’s and 2000’s, there were more hysterias about things that were going to happen, never came to fruition.

I think the biggest threat to humanity is AI, time will tell.

Everything is all relative at the end of the day to the time and era.
 
Reply number 14

So what’s your point Sean most of the problems you site were corrected by Democrats trying to save lives and make lives better with emission controls, etc.

If it were up to you, everybody would be driving a 1966 Ford and we would be choking on our exhaust as the people all through California did for decades.

John L
 
Reply #17

Ok. I see now this should have been posted in the Dirty Laundry section. EPA regulations are political and I see now that Dirty Laundry is for political posts.

My Apologies.

However, I noted it more so on the future of machine engineering. With everyone’s love for the PowerClean machine and such.

I would pay for the $12/month subscription, but my Speed Queen TL put me out on the streets…
 

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